Article on KSL about open carrying - Police confront student OCing

[Herzog]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9943882

Police confront student carrying gun on UVU campus
March 8th, 2010 @ 6:54pm

OREM -- A student confronted by police for openly carrying a gun at Utah Valley University says he's within his rights. Now advocates on both sides say his story points to a problem in Utah law.

The student posted on YouTube the confrontation he had with officers after they responded to a report of a man with a gun.

Steven Gunn of the Utah Gun Violence Prevention Center says it points to a problematic gap in Utah law that has not been addressed.

"I can't imagine what the reaction might be, well actually I can," he says, "of a student walking along the campus and seeing another student carrying a shotgun."

Gunn says Utah's gun laws are vague and don't clearly state whether open carry is legal. He says a bill clarifying that issue needs to be drafted.

The student told KSL he was not trying to make a fuss. He agreed to keep his gun concealed for now, but he doesn't feel he should have to.

Not well defined...?

With as dumb as news reporters & news outlets are, it's frightening to think that these places are our main sources of information.

[tv_larsen]

On Fox http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-ut...,3562516.story

Make sure you read his story and watch the videos.
http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/vi...hp?f=33&t=7775

Unbelievable email response from the UVU police chief.

Chief Brewer,

My name is Nicholas Moyes and I am a student at UVU.
On Friday March 5, 2010 at around 11:40 AM, I was detained by two of your officers in the Sorenson Student Center, in front of the UVUSA offices...
Before I pursue this any further, please know that I want to give your department every opportunity to rectify this situation. I have posted my account of what occurred on this website and on YouTube:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7775&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Please read through the entire thread, because I gave more details in later posts.
I filed a GRAMA request with your department this afternoon regarding this incident. I am not trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill here, I just want to feel satisfied that all of your officers are educated regarding firearm carrying laws in the State of Utah and that they are taught how to approach the people that exercise those rights, legally, on UVU campus.
KSL has contacted me regarding this issue but before I give an interview, I want to give you a chance to respond to me without involving the press. Again, I do not want to make this a big deal, and would prefer not to blow this out of proportion.
However, I would like to file a formal complaint(s) against the officers involved, please let me know what the proper course of action is to do so.

Thank you for your time,

Nicholas Moyes
ph. #
moyes.nick at gmail.com"



His response:

brewerjc@uvu.edu
"The open carrying of firearms on our campus, even by concealed permit holders, is a violation of UVU policy unless I give written approval for such. I have given no such approval either to you or anyone else on this campus. If you are found to be openly carrying a firearm on this campus again you may be subject to arrest and confiscation of your firearm as evidence of the violation as detailed in Utah Revised Statute 76-8-710, Disruption of School Activities. Additionally you may be subject to possible UVU administrative sanctions for policy violation. I advise that you no longer carry your firearm openly."

[Herzog]

Fox13 did a much better job of handling the story along with gathering facts about the laws from the correct sources. Why couldn't KSL do that?

[SAMI]

Good for him. The officers had every right to politely ask that he consider CC'ing, but they clearly harrassed him and tried to intimidate him.

When do we storm the campus OC'ing to make a point?

[Moody]

Interesting story....I wonder what will happen with firearms in National Parks now that they are allowed...